national security to the wind. >> bologna, there have been plenty of times when u.s. has been without the secretary of defense. usually what happens is deputy secretary of defense is the acting secretary of defense, a good guy, he could be acting, are other thing, panettaas not left yet, that is bologna. that is not the argument. the fact is that two reasons that senators are opposing hagel. one is lindsay graham, and senator iaot have real questions about benghazi, and the other hand senator has questions about hagel. both of those together, are causing real problem, and a lot of the wounded on hagel are self inflicted. lou: and waleed as you read that letter from white house revealing, that the president did no contact anyone in the libyan government, that he relied upon his secretary of state, who has said she had no role in the days affairs. what is your reaction? >> well, look, lou, we really don't have the big picture in details about what happened in benghazi. i keep repeating that the key point is, what was the perception of the administration of the threat existing? did they